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  Inactive ones are not JWs

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
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  years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

  the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

  i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

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  OneEyedJoe-

  You are correct - it was a long time ago- a real bombastic quote from one of the old guard.

  I've seen it within the past year and, now I need it staight from the magazine likely Watchtower.
  
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  Inactive ones are not JWs

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

  the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

  i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

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  Phizzy -

  You have hit the nail squarely on the head!

  This is the distinction I hope to make - that people who have intentionally abandoned the religion, are purposefully mislabelled by the hounders as inactive.

  They are not present tense inactive, they are done, faded, escaped, past tense GONE, present tense free persons.

  The fact that many of these people are hassled years after reclaiming their own freedom, is a violation of their rights to religious freedom.

  The old quotes I am hoping someone can find substantiate that the act of abandonment is or can be the most powerful demonstration of the exercise of a religious freedom.
  
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  Inactive ones are not JWs

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

  the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

  i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

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  Blondie -

  Thanks for the reply.

  There were a couple really dogmatic quotes from years gone by that I can't locate... quotes that unequiviocally asserted that those not preaching were not JWs.

  The quotes may have been from times prior to the term ''inactive'' appearing on time cards.
  

  
  
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  Why do people "come back"?

  by kairos in

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  2. friends

  i know of several examples of ones that "left the truth" for up to 20 years, only to suffer through the reinstatement process and feel like they are finally back on track.. how does this happen?.

  i personally know of one example where a father of three, leaves jws, abandons wife and family, lives as a gay man then comes back 20 years later as a partaking member of the anointed..

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  I think that scenario from past times will become less and less common.

  Many examples are from pre-internet times when the ostracism actually excluded people - now to be freed from the life wasting cults persuits is more likely to lead to a person expanding both their knowledge base and social contacts and skills.

  Truth be told, most peoples lives improve in many ways not really likely while still indide the borg.
  
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  Inactive ones are not JWs

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

  the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

  i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

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  Years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all. The point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''
  

  I know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of Rutherford or Knorr ,

  Can any of you researchers here find some of these references with your CD library scanning methods?

  I sincerely beg your assistance as it will part of a human rights challenge,

  These quotes will help in making the point that - ''a deliberate and conscious decision to cease performing the public works of a religion (whose raison d'etre is those works) is a legitimate and obvious public expression of abandonment of that religion.''

  I'd appreciate your input as well .
  
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  Do you know any books written by Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i found once a list on the internet on novels about the new world written by jehovah's witnesses.

  don't seam to find it anymore.

  does any of you happen to know any novels about the new world?

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  Watch How We Walk by Jennifer Lovegrove 2013
  

  This book made it to the long list for the 2014 Giller Prize for Literature here in Canada.

  I got it from our local library last fall and enjoyed the read.

  Everything that happened within this JW family, happened to my family -everything.
  

  I made sure to tell the librarian that it is a very accurate depiction of the private pressures, that being JW thrusts upon ordinary families and that the end is sadly too realistic.

  Don't join this cult -if you're already in , leave now.
  
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  An anthropologist visits a JW community in Santa María Zapotitlán, Mexico

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dr. jena barchas-lichtenstein is an anthropologist who received her doctorate through ucla.. https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jena-barchas-lichtenstein/43/427/702.

  in 2013, barchas-lichtenstein submitted the paper "when the dead are resurrected, how are we going to speak to them?

  ": jehovah's witnesses and the use of indigenous languages in the globalizing textual community as a partial submission for her doctoral dissertation..

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  Orphan Crow-

  Thanks so much for that. Smart woman that, and you also!
  

  I would surmise that if WT operates in Mexico as a cultural entity that this would be their best opportunity to get a double-edged return on investment. Cultural education that is inseparable from WT authority, and a new souce of converts who come preprogrammed by the linguistic afinity.

  Canadian Aboriginals are likely targeted in the same fashion. Unbelievably, the Revenue Canada Agency grants tax free status to the cult, partly on its claim to be an educational entity, irrespective of its views of higher education. Canad being what it is, there is likely money flowing to WT to do cultural work there as well.

  Canadian aboriginals hopefully will equate Bethel et al on a par with residential schools and not get sucked in again by white guys with a bunch of ''bible based '' baloney.
  
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  'Tracing All Things With Accuracy' - How the Watchtower Society's Writing Department never makes a mistake

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
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  from the 2011 yearbook of jehovah's witnesses.. source: 'tracing all things with accuracy'.

  tracing all things with accuracy.

  jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics their food at the proper time.

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  It was Watchtowers journalistic dishonesty that was my first clue that they really didn't value factual truth.

  At a district convention (organized by WT) one brother from each attending congregation was given a ''press release'' to take back to local newspapers in their espective teritories, to garner free local PR.

  It was just a printed infomercial for the cult extolling the numbers in attendance. It was made to appear as an interview including a longwinded quote - to which we brothers were supposed to fill in our own names as the source of the quote!

  They not only orchestrated this deception but expected to foist it off on unsuspecting local newspapers.
  
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  Groanfest. Share your daftest jokes .

  by jhine in

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  lots of serious stuff being discussed on site .

  i thought!it would be nice to make each other groan/ smile for a change .please share your corniest ,punniest , or daftest joke .. i will start with this shocker , borrowed from tim vine .. vandalism in a multi story carpark ....... ...................................,............................ wrong on sooo many levels !.

  come on now share yours.

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  A guy goes back to the doctors office to hear the results of his tests.

  He knows something is wrong when the doctor enters, staring at his test results and looking shocked.

  ''Give it to me straight doc, how long have I got ?'' the man pleads.

  The doctor replies slowly ''You've got six ..''

  ''Six ?'' the guy screams '' six what, six weeks, six months ?''

  Doctor looks at his watch and says '' five..,four.., three...''
  
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  Leaving Christendom for the Kingdumb Hall

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  most of us old timers left behind a stable, respected, religious heritage in our disillusioned haste to join a stupid cult.. as i recall, there was no rite of dissociation required - no reason offered to your church, no resignation required - it was a non-event from the dubs viewpoint.

  what was your experience?

  were you expected to do or say anything as you abandoned your spiritual heritage to become a drone in the watchtower hive?.

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  Village Idiot

  Catholic Schools provide excellent education - couldn't have JW kids exposed to that could we?

  Half of my grandkids prefered our local Catholic high school over the public one as it is a wonderful school and they did very well too - smart, socially active, well adjusted kids who went straight on to university and well paying jobs. The JW grandkids are a socially retarded pioneer and a very angry rehab patient respectively - keep up the good work Watchtower.

  Pete Zahut

  You observed the same as I, that such actions are merely childish vendetta. It is actually important that Watchtower officially requires nothing from those abandoning a religion when joining theirs. It logically follows that persons abandoning the Watchtower cult, likewise, owe them no explanations, reasons or justifications of their freewill actions.

  Don't involve these self-righteous assholes in your decision to leave - just make your demands known in harmony with your available human rights and enjoy your freedom.